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NAYPOOIE Posts: 6,405
4/16/12 10:43 A

Wasn't talking to you Krussell. As a diabetic who needs to eat low carb to control blood sugar, every now and then I get irritated with the LC bashers, and slap back. Sorry if it offended you.

Assuming you do have insulin resistance, lowering your carbs, especially to very low levels, helps in so many ways. LC can improve your HDL, triglycerides, blood pressure, and weight. Even lowering to 150 net carbs per day is helpful to many. You can generally go that low just by cutting out the white stuff and sweet drinks.

If you love to cook, LC works much better because you can have a tremendous variety of meals. And combination dishes like soups, stir fries, and casseroles can sneak in vegetables, even those that you don't like. There are probably a lot of vegetables that you don't hate, and a number you haven't tried. Check this out for a list of low carb veggie options: www.atkins.com/Program/Phase-1/What-You-Ca
n-Eat-in-this-Phase.aspx


Type II diabetes is metabolic syndrome gone to extremes. I've never heard about, and certainly never experienced, problems with processing fats. The only time I ever had problems with fat was when I had gallstones, which had to be cured with surgery. Now I burn them freely, even tho' I'm still insulin resistant.

I'd get a second opinion on the no-fat thing. Or not, if that's how you want to do it. Me, I do much better eating high fat/low carb. Tasty and satisfying.

And you do NEED to eat some fats.

BRITOMART Posts: 7,473
4/16/12 9:17 A

You may have metabolic syndrome, but that's not a big deal, since it's mostly a catch-all name for a bunch of 'symptoms' many overweight people exhibit. Has your doctor tested you, or is s/he just saying that? I mean, it IS a popular diagnosis now--one of the terms for insulin resistance in many cases, and it mostly means you display certain signs (at least 3 of the following, for most mds)--a large waist-to-hip ratio, high triglycerides, reduced HDL, and elevated fasting blood sugar. For most people it's a result rather than a cause--a result of our lifestyle, so lifestyle changes often address its worst issues.

My guess (and it IS only a guess) is that a healthy, BALANCED diet, stuck to for, say 4-6 months, may show more improvement than popping on-and-off different fads. For one thing, ANY good doctor will tell you that gaining/losing/gaining is worse for your system than maintaining a too-high weight, but staying consistent. For another, you want something you CAN live with--for the rest of your life. "Low" fat for most US eaters puts you within SP's ranges--much lower and you are not going to get essential nutrients. So ignore the fries, but eat the salmon, cook in a bit of olive oil, not butter, that sort of thing.

If you love to cook, then you are miles ahead of me; if you love cooking, then you can explore healthy recipes. Always, portion control will be a part of a healthy lifestyle--no one can eat 'all' of any food (even veggies) without some sort of distress.

I wish you success...patience and perseverance help! Don't let the terminology scare you.

Edited by: BRITOMART at: 4/16/2012 (09:23)
KRISTY79R Posts: 17
4/16/12 8:28 A

My doctor said I have metabolic syndrome and my body can't process fat very well and it can't turn the fats and carbs I eat into energy as well as it should.

KRISTY79R Posts: 17
4/16/12 8:24 A

Thanks! I think my biggest problem is that I have fibro myalgia and I can't exercise as much as I want to. I also have a hard time I guess because I am a person that wants to see immediate results and I know it can't happen as quickly as I would like, so I give up.

KRISTY79R Posts: 17
4/16/12 8:22 A

First of all. I love to cook. Second of all, I couldn't eat all the things you just mentioned. Only meat , cheese, eggs and veggies. I don't like many veggies, so it was hard to stick to.Also, I am very aware that I was going to gain the weight back. But thanks for your sarcasm....it was VERY appreciated. emoticon

NAYPOOIE Posts: 6,405
4/13/12 6:12 P

Oh, yes, beef, chicken, fish, pork, eggs, nuts, all manner of cheese, literally dozens of different vegetables, moderate amounts of fruit, very boring. Good heavens, you have to cook! Nobody could possibly do that long term.

And you're not hungry. Horrible!

Guess what? When you return to your "regular" eating habits, you'll regain weight regardless of how you lost it in the first place.

JENTHEPEN SparkPoints: (20,467)
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4/13/12 5:19 P

It sounds like you really want to lose weight, and are struggling to find the right path for you.

"Fad" diets (Atkins, South Beach, etc) tend not to work, due to exactly what you expressed. We follow them to the "t" until we get bored with the food, and return to our more "regular" eating habits.
Of all the diets out there, I personally recommend Weight Watchers because it encourages PORTION CONTROL (if you are using all your points quickly, it is likely due to the portion sizes and the ingredients) and making HEALTHFUL choices. Most recently the plan has been tweeked to encourage people to choose real food (IE fruits/veggies) over 100 cal snack packs etc. Basically it follows the Canada (or US) food guide (pyramid) with a few tweeks (such as less grains).

5 days is not enough time to decide if a plan works for you. No matter which plan you decide to use, committing to it for a longer time period (6 months or so maybe) is essential. In the end you may want to look at which plan is going to allow you to eat most of the foods you love, as if you have to deprive yourself you will end up quitting. Also, as you go you may find that adjusting some of the recipes you use can make them healthier for you, so that you are still enjoying the food with less caloric value due to high fat/sugar.

No matter which plan you choose, take the time to make small changes at first, and know that each small change that you maintain will bring you closer to the healthy goal you've set for yourself.

You can do it, it won't happen over night.

Good luck!

Edited by: JENTHEPEN at: 4/13/2012 (18:47)
NAYPOOIE Posts: 6,405
4/13/12 1:55 P

There are essential fats, that you have to eat. A no fat diet obviously won't let you eat them. I second the question, why did your doctor recommend this? Is there some reason you can't process fats?

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4/13/12 11:06 A

I was going to comment on this, but ArchimedesII said it all! Unless there's a specific medical reason for you to be on a low to no fat diet, it's probably not a great way to go since it's hard to sustain in the long run. Good, healthy fats are necessary for biochemical processes - and they help you feel full, so you're satisfied and not snacking constantly.

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4/13/12 10:08 A

KRUSSELL79,

There are many talented and intelligent doctors out there. However, while they may be experts in one field, that doesn't make them experts in all. Is there a reason your doctor wanted you to eliminate most or all fat ? What was their reason ? Or did they just tell you to eliminate fat because they think that eating fat makes a person fat ?

As others have noted, fat diets don't work. If they did, there wouldn't be an obesity problem in the United States. When it comes to weight loss, what matters most is what we eat. quality of the food we eat matters. While it's true that most Americans eat too much and need to eat less, the problem is that they are eating too much of the wrong food and not enough of the right food.

Believe me, if Americans ate 6-9 servings of fruit and veggies each day, they wouldn't need all those diet books. As I mentioned earlier, quality of the food a person eats makes a big difference. so does portion size. Americans suffer from portion distortion. I know. I had that problem. I used to think that a HALF a chicken was a normal portion size when eating out. that's what the restaurants served !

Well, guess what, a half a chicken isn't a normal portion. Learning portion control isn't an easy thing. Dieting is easy, portion control is hard. BUT, portion control IS what will help you, along with healthy eating, lose weight.

Because when it comes right down to is, weight loss is nothing more than a byproduct of a healthy life style.

My advice would be to ask your doctor for a referral to a dietitian. If your doctor doesn't have any experience with helping people lose weight, then you need the opinion from a profession who does have that kind of experience. So, if you're really confused, you might consider working with a dietitian to help you learn healthier eating habits.



JUSTDOIT011 Posts: 1,411
4/12/12 8:17 P

I eat all foods in moderation--there are no "don't eat this!!" foods for me. But I have found success on SP through the food tracking-- SP recommends I eat 34-73g of fat/day. I try to stay around 34-45, on the lower end...yesterday I had 42g of fat. It's less of a "low fat diet" and more of a "that's the easiest way for me to stay within my calorie goal" diet....because fat has 9 calories/g and carbs and proteins have 4 calories/g. So by cutting a lot of fat out, I'm cutting a lot of calories out. That said, one day this week I ate 85g of fat in one day, so this isn't a hard-and-fast rule, but I can say that trying to keep my fat intake at the lower end of my recommendation is something that I try to do, and I think works for me. I wouldn't personally try a no-fat or very-low-fat diet, however.

SHINAKO SparkPoints: (44,184)
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4/12/12 7:57 P

The reason why most Restrictive Diets (Atkins, No Fat, etc.) fail for so many people, is because what you're doing is essentially taking nutrients that your body NEEDS, but can easily go overboard with, and making your body ration it.

What happens in the case you stop the diet, even if you are eating at your caloric recommended allowance, is that your body realizes these nutrients/proteins are back (hallelujah!) and holds onto them for dear life in the event that you are ever again in a situation where you may need to severely restrict those nutrients/proteins again. The same thing happens on any calorie-restrictive diet (hcg.)

Also, remember that your body may have been at a certain weight for so long, that it is actually pre-disposed to being that certain weight. So, even if you don't go on a fad diet, but eat right, exercise, and lose 20 lbs.. and then just very basic maintenance, your body is going to do what it can, metabolically, to inch back up to the starting weight.

I always hate how people compare one person's diet successes/failures with another's.. simply because no two bodies are built the same. Even if there are similarities, generic ties, etc. what's been done to the body over the years will influence the singular person's ability to have weight loss "stick," even if going back to eating "regular food." There is a number of possible reasons why your mother's weight loss on the low-fat diet stuck.

The best weight loss plan is a sustainable one. You've already tried the low-to-no fat diet, and while it did "work" to lose weight.. it does not make sense to sustain it.. and as you mentioned, when you got "off" the diet, the weight came back. My recommendation- keep with Weight Watchers, learn your portions and your foods. You're only 5 Days in! I don't do it myself, but if it will help you to learn a sustainable, lifelong diet, keep it up!

Edit: Oops, while I was posting, Coach Nancy posted.
I am NOT a dietician or nutritional expert- so, yes, definitely go there for more information on dietary advice.

Edited by: SHINAKO at: 4/12/2012 (19:58)
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4/12/12 7:46 P

KRUSSELL79,

You may want to post this on the diet/nutrition boards which are monitored by our experts and coaches who are most knowledgeable on the various diets. Just know that all diets work, but it is the one that you can remain on for the rest of your life which will be the best for you.

Coach Nancy

KRISTY79R Posts: 17
4/12/12 7:40 P

I was told by my Dr to go on a low fat, almost no fat diet. I did and lost about 15 lbs. Then got off and gained it back. Then I tried Atkins..lost about 10 lbs fairly quick which I loved, but fell off because I got bored eating the same foods. Then I tried weight watchers....I have been on it for about 5 days and it seems I can't eat hardly anything or I'm over my points. I haven't lost anything. I have read all kinds of articles and they say bad things about Atkins and low fat and how they don't work. Well my mom weight about 200 lbs about 4 years ago and went on the low fat and now weighs about 110, Which is good for her because she is only 5'0.n Her weight melted off. So what I'm wondering is has anyone else had luck with a low to no fat diet? I just want to see that maybe it will work for me because it has worked for my mom but I don't see alot of people that have lost using this diet. emoticon

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