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BLB1980 SparkPoints: (285)
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6/14/12 10:16 P

Thanks for the response. I'll admit I Google every little thing that pops into my head which I probably shouldn't do. When I say anything, I mean anything. Not just diet and exercise stuff. It's a habit. That wiki site was the first search result

DOWNEASTB Posts: 465
6/14/12 2:51 P

She's a RD. I daresay she knows a thing or two about whole grain nutrients, net carbs and how much fiber the body needs. Unfortunately there's tons of conflicting research out there. For every study that says low carb doesn't work, there's another that says it does. Eventually people have to get past that and start conducting an experiment of one. After I quit eating bread, pasta, and cereals, my weight not only dropped, but my lipid panel and fasting blood sugar improved dramatically. All the markers of metabolic syndrome went away. I've heard the same story from many other low carb people. But I guess that since we weren't part of a study published in a peer-reviewed journal then it doesn't count eh?

ANARIE Posts: 12,432
6/14/12 11:51 A

I just want to put in that Huffington Post is NOT a reliable source for health information. It's a lot of fun for other things, but they publish some incredibly wack-a-doo stuff about health and nutrition, and they absolutely refuse to correct or retract when they're PROVEN wrong, or even when they're shown that something they published was made up out of whole cloth by one of the groups they normally oppose! The article in this link is not particularly wacky, but it IS typical of HuffPo in that it doesn't have any citations to research. It's the author's opinion (and in fact at least this one is labeled as a blog; there are some labeled as news with no better backing.) It's pretty much the same level of reliability as WikiAnswers.

The best way to know if an article is reliable is to look at the bottom. It should tell you where the information came from. If there are no references, then it's just the author's opinion. If there are references, look at where they came from. They should include medical journals. If the references are only to books, it's not as reliable. It's outdated at best, and it may be opinion. Anybody can get a book published, but for an article to get into a medical journal, it has to be read and rated by a group of other medical researchers who know how to tell whether the study was done correctly.



DOWNEASTB Posts: 465
6/14/12 11:19 A

As others have said, the original statement you posted only says that the nutrients you get from whole grains are also available from other food sources that may (or may not) be better for your body than whole grains are. Here is a good article written recently by a registered dietician that explains a bit more.

www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-b-dopart-ms-r
d/carbs-myths_b_1583461.html?utm_hp_re
f=healthy-living


-POOKIE- Posts: 11,848
6/14/12 10:21 A

This is a bit like saying how much tuna should you eat as opposed to how much chicken... its a FOOD... not a food GROUP.

Thats why there isn't an answer, because there isn't one!

Carbs can come from lots of sources, everything found in grains can be found somewhere else, often in richer sources and more accessible sources.

So the answer is none... there is no daily requirement at all unless you want there to be one!

if whole grains fit into your eating plan and you enjoy them... then eat them, but there isn't a reason to force them if its not something you enjoy or usually eat.


NINAOZZIE SparkPoints: (3,571)
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6/14/12 10:03 A

Oh my goodness, the quote you shared sounds highly biased. People say whatever they want on Wiki and try to pass it off as facts...I can see why that would be confusing to those of us who aren't familiar with the site!

Thank you for the links, Coach Tanya!

Edited by: NINAOZZIE at: 6/14/2012 (10:05)
TONKA14 Posts: 4,947
6/14/12 9:59 A

You found why Wiki is not a source of scientific research but opinion and preference with sources sited such as someones personal blog. Here are several resources based on scientific research that might provide a more balanced opinion.

Whole Grains are the Whole Package
These Natural Grains Pack a Nutritional Punch
www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_art
icles.asp?id=747


The Unbounded Power of Whole Grains
www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_art
icles.asp?id=410


Easy Ways to Cook Whole Grains
Over 20 Ways to Enjoy Whole Grain Goodness
www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_art
icles.asp?id=1025


The Truth About Carbohydrates
Not all Carbs are Created Equal
www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_art
icles.asp?id=590


Coach Tanya

ANARIE Posts: 12,432
6/14/12 1:20 A

The answer you got kind of mixes apples and oranges. It's true that there's a requirement for fat and protein and not for grain, but that's because grains are a food type, not a nutrient. There IS a daily requirement for carbohydrate, fiber, niacin, thiamin, magnesium, and things you rarely hear about like manganese, and whole grains are one of the easiest ways to get those things. It's technically true that you don't absolutely *need* grains, but then it's true that you don't absolutely *need* vegetables. You could, in theory, get all the nutrients you need without them if you really know what you're doing, but if you're not allergic, it makes more sense to eat some whole wheat bread or a bowl of oatmeal than to go search out another source of manganese!

There are also micronutrients in grains that we're just learning about, but which might turn out to be extremely important. One of these is phytic acid. The anti-grain people will tell you it's terrible because it makes it harder to absorb iron-- but it turns out it makes it just a tiny bit harder to absorb iron and a LOT harder to absorb mercury, lead, and heavy metals that cause colon cancer. We've known for a long time that people who eat a lot of meat are more likely to get stomach and intestinal cancers, but we're just starting to find evidence that it might not be the meat that's causing it; it might be that people who eat lots of meat don't eat enough grain.

DRAGONCHILDE SparkPoints: (57,014)
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6/14/12 12:42 A

Googling things isn't a bad habit; you just need to learn a bit what's a reliable source or not. :) Random wikis = no. The USDA, Sparkpeople, Mayo Clinic, those sorts of sites? GEnerally pretty reliable.


JUSTDOIT011 Posts: 1,396
6/14/12 12:36 A

The USDA recommends that everyone makes "half their grains whole"...so at least half of the grains you eat in a day should be from whole grain sources. This link, if you scroll down, gives you an easy list of whole grains to choose from.

www.choosemyplate.gov/food-groups/grains.h
tml


DANNIEGEE Posts: 227
6/13/12 11:18 P

I agree, wiki is not a reliable source for any type of information.
whole grain is absolutely good for you and should form a part of your diet.
remembe to also drink enough water.

BLB1980 SparkPoints: (285)
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6/13/12 11:10 P

Thanks for the response. I'll admit I Google every little thing that pops into my head which I probably shouldn't do. When I say anything, I mean anything. Not just diet and exercise stuff. It's a habit. That wiki site was the first search result

DRAGONCHILDE SparkPoints: (57,014)
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6/13/12 11:03 P

Whole grains are a part of a healthy diet, providing complex carbs that your body needs to function and prefers as fast fuel, as supported by a massive body of evidence and the dietary recommendations of the government, medical professionals, and dieticians. While you can replace the nutrients they provide with other things, they're safe and healthy and you should definitely eat them if you're able to!

I would definitely avoid wiki answers. The people who answer do not need to have any qualifications. Sparkpeople's much safer for reliable information.

Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 6/13/2012 (23:03)
BLB1980 SparkPoints: (285)
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6/13/12 10:36 P

Is this true? I searched on the recommended amount per day. The following came from wiki answers but some one told me today that's not a reliable source since anyone can post answers in there... I do however tend to value the opinion of sparkers though.

"None. Grains are not necessary in order to flourish physically. If you eat grains, you eat them because you choose to. Unlike protein and fats, there is no dietary requirement of grain for good health. (If you choose to eat grains, eat whole grains. If you have any dietary related diseases, or conditions that can be helped by diet, do not eat any grains whatsoever.)"



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